A depiction of ionar prior to Durer???

[carraig]

This would mean that the church was built in the 1400s, but Caldwell dates the sculpture to 1528. Unfortunately, the sculpture does not date to the 1300s or even 1400s, but is from the early 1500s. So much for that theory I guess.

Ah, dammit, hate when that happens. However, even if it's dated to back then, why wouldn't the bas reliefs be an image of an earlier attirement? The Gallowglass seems to look almost exactly as older stone carvings depicting one. But it's probably just me trying to stomach a theory-gone-wrong

Anyway - even if the depiction is renaissance, it's still useful. Because together with Durer those are some depictions that suggest earlier versions of ionar, without pleats at the skirts, without hanging sleeves, and a bit longer.

It's tempting, still, to go for a close-fitting doublet & leine combo for medieval gigs

[brendan]

John said:

I'm a big fan of having kit that'll do any period

Really

Brendan

[the_power]

John said:

I'm a big fan of having kit that'll do any period

Really

Um..within reason. Which is why I need 3 padded jackets; 14thC gambeson, 15thC jack and 11th-16thC aketon.

John

[rainsfordryan]

Any links to, or info on these; 14thC gambeson, 15thC jack and 11th-16thC aketon. How do they differ and who wore what? Any pics? thanks

[brendan]

the terms can be somewhat interchangeable in use, but the basics are as follows:
- They are all padded garments
- The akheton is worn under maille. The exact design will vary by time period: 1066 and you are talking short sleeved tunic to match the maille worn over it. This is relatively lightly padded.
-Gambeson. This term is often used to describe an Akheton in reenactment. it is more correctly a defensive garment in its own right and should be heavy enough to stop blows. In a number of cases the Gameson is worn OVER maille (which is in turn worn over an akheton)
-15th Century JAck is an evolution of the Gambeson just described: More fitted, possibly jack chains to reenforce but essentially a padded armour.

The gambeson is prob low to mid status after the introduction of plate.

That is one take on it...anyone else?

Brendan

[finnobreanan]

Any links to, or info on these; 14thC gambeson, 15thC jack and 11th-16thC aketon. How do they differ and who wore what? Any pics? thanks

I posted this link previously on another thread, but here is a good site with images of Galloglaich and some fare research.
http://www.geocities.com/na_degadmediev ... -Equipment

[kevin714]

the terms can be somewhat interchangeable in use, but the basics are as follows:
- They are all padded garments
- The akheton is worn under maille. The exact design will vary by time period: 1066 and you are talking short sleeved tunic to match the maille worn over it. This is relatively lightly padded.
-Gambeson. This term is often used to describe an Akheton in reenactment. it is more correctly a defensive garment in its own right and should be heavy enough to stop blows. In a number of cases the Gameson is worn OVER maille (which is in turn worn over an akheton)
-15th Century JAck is an evolution of the Gambeson just described: More fitted, possibly jack chains to reenforce but essentially a padded armour.

The gambeson is prob low to mid status after the introduction of plate.

That is one take on it...anyone else?

Brendan

Can you tell me what colors would be accurate for them in Ireland? I have seen plain white ones and brown and black ones offered for sale on some sites which one would be most accurate? Or were they a different color altogether.
Thanks

[the_power]

Both colours are fine; natural might be a slightly lower status, but there isn't a huge price difference. It might have been a matter of taste. Certainly, brown will take stains from armour better. Though old white gambys look awesome.

john

[kevin714]

Both colours are fine; natural might be a slightly lower status, but there isn't a huge price difference. It might have been a matter of taste. Certainly, brown will take stains from armour better. Though old white gambys look awesome.

john

So in 16th century Ireland they did wear brown Akhetons?

[the_power]

Most likely. That's like asking "Did they wear brown shirts in 20thC Ireland ?"; pretty much every colours was likely to have been used, but some would be more frequent than others.

John